Comments on: 10 + 10 = 25?

By: zaxn

zaxn — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:40:21 +0000

My guild does both. 25 man naxx is actually a ton easier then 10 man is. One thing your guild might could try is early week do the 10 man version and later in the week do the 25 man. We raid 4 nights a week, first 2 are 10′s third one is Malygos, Archavon, and Sartharion, 4th is 25 man naxx. we dont clear it yet, but it gets everyone in at least one raid a week, and gets them thinking about large group tactics vs small group.

But that’s just one guilds way of doing things, it may not work for your guild.

By: Nassira

Nassira — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:47:01 +0000

What we’ve been doing is this -

Get our core group in, run what bosses we can, and whoever needs a specific piece of loot from a specific boss enters the group when it’s time for said boss. That way, people will get geared, the group mechanics won’t be off-whack, and everyone will get their turn during the week.

But we are also a very old, very tight-knit guild, so most of us have no issues feeling left out or jealous.

By: Rilgon Arcsinh

Rilgon Arcsinh — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:53:24 +0000

Well, realistically, the gear from heroics (at least the epics) is at the same item level as the ones from Naxx-10 (aside from Kel’s drops), so if you’re geared out in epic drops from Heroics, you should be fine to start making your way into Naxx 25.

And most people consider Naxx 25 easier (aside from the requirement for 2 Priests, ideally Shadow) than Naxx 10.

By: Brajana

Brajana — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:31:36 +0000

I know it’s both. But we’re not going to be doing heroic raids for a while now, and I don’t think they want people to be waiting around til they can jump in at 25. People will probably need to have some experience in the 10-man first, if not the gear as well.

By: Rilgon Arcsinh

Rilgon Arcsinh — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:29:24 +0000

Errr…

But Naxx is only a 10 man raid.

It’s both. >_>;

By: Brajana

Brajana — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:08:31 +0000

Yeah, #2 is probably the best option. I think I was figuring this would be less likely to happen, because people want to progress, so eventually #2 would gravitate toward becoming #1.

I guess I have it set in my mind that a lot of people are aiming towards rushing through the content as quickly as possible, so the slower, more balanced option would end up being overlooked or mishandled or frowned upon.

By: negathle

negathle — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:02:16 +0000

We go by #2 – I was the last hunter to hit 80, and because of this, the other four (!) hunters that had run Naxx and a ton of heroics already already had a considerable amount of gear, and willingly bowed out for me to get geared up. As long as you know the fights, there is no reason not to have an exchange of players.

The second option is also ideal because we know that some people cannot make all the raids while they are still optional (we won’t start mandatory raids until January, since the holidays are a bitch, and school is finishing up). This leaves 5+ people available to replace those that cannot come at a later date.

By: Boostah

Boostah — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:22:03 +0000

There will always be people that aren’t happy with the way group and raids are slotted. The hope is that the majority are happy, and the grouping has been done in a somewhat logical and justifiable manner.

In BC I was involved in a situation that evolved into option #1 as you outlined above, and essentially what happened was that the second group to get into 10-mans felt like the “B Team” (or second class raiders if you will) and it caused no small amount of tension for a little while.

Personally, I lean toward option #2 and I feel it behooves me to point out that there is as much if not more benefit to shuffling the groups on a regular basis. Yes, it will slow things down for the 10 man raiding but for the 25 man raiding it means that everyone will have had the opportunity to get used to the play styles we will be dealing with (tanking and healing styles in particular). It also allows the opportunity to share insights that one group may have ferreted out after throwing themselves at the content in a different way.

Solid teams would be ideal imo, but I personally feel that we (this being Unemployed) don’t have the breadth of experience amongst all our raiders to set these up and NOT have people get locked in to doing it one specific way (nor do we have the volume of raiders to ensure that these groups would regularly be running instances.

Hmmm, time to level my tank again I guess.